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Nsio explains: Foreshortening by Nsio Nsio explains: Foreshortening by Nsio
Number 8. tutorial in my "Nsio explains" series. Talking about foreshortening for continuation from perspective.

EDIT2: I thank all those who commented on my rude tone in this tutorial. I have definitely learnt my lesson by now, so I won't be replying back on any future comments regarding this. I have literally written essays as a response and you can find them if you browse trough the comments. Of course, if you find that it's all you have to say about this tutorial, then feel free to do so, but don't expect me to reply.
EDIT1: Few people have been reporting about my rude tone in this tutorial. I'm really sorry if you find it offending and condescending. My point is not to mock your ability to draw or insult you. For that sole reason, all my "bad" examples are always drawn by myself. However, my goal is still to make you feel a bit bad about yourself and wake new thoughts in you. The first step to understanding is to to see what you are doing wrong and accept it. I do this by slapping you straight at the face. While it may sound like I'm saying that you are bad, that's not the case. No one is bad at drawing: some have just had the chance to delve deeper into it. Some may grasp it faster than others, but since drawing isn't something we need for surviving, you don't get to do it very much. You didn't know how to walk or ride a bicycle when you were small, but you have had years to perfect them. Same goes with drawing.

Again, I humbly apologize if you found my tone discouraging and offending. I admit that I could have been more considerate.

Way too common mistakes:

Foreshortening is super hard, I admit with that. But it's hard mostly because of the lack of knowledge of how things really look like. That said, if you intend to foreshorten anything, you really need to know your subject rather well. Advanced stuff require advanced understanding. If you don't how the understanding, you will fail miserably, unfortunately.

Probably the most common mistake I encounter is the arm reaching the beholder. Most of the time, people draw the hand in upright position. Well, that's not necessarily an issue, but if you draw the hand in upright position, you need to draw the arm in a way that it's possible for the character to keep her hand in that position. However, people almost always do these two fatal mistakes:
1.The hand is far away from the face
2. The arm is not coming towards the beholder

People usually can draw the hand larger than normally, to indicate it's closer to the beholder. However, the two mistakes I mentioned before destroy the illusion instantly. Let's talk first about the position of the hand. We all know that our arms can reach quite wide area. However, the hand orientation is directly related to the arm position. That said, if the beholder is in front of you and your point your right arm to the right, you just CAN'T turn your palm towards the beholder while keeping the upright position. It's not physically possible. If you point your arm towards the beholder, then your palm can be seen. And when you turn your arm in a position where beholder can see your palm, the hand is relatively close to the face. From the beholder's point of view, that is. Now we can take a look at my illustration where I attempted to draw things as wrong as they can possibly get. See, the hand position is impossible there. So if you really want to draw the hand in upright position towards the beholder and the arm is straight, know that it needs to be close to the face (the face is just a reference point here, easy to remember).

Now on to the second issue I mentioned. Most of the time people don't even draw the arm coming towards the beholder. This makes it look like the poor girl got her hand dismembered. Take a look at the shirt: the opening of the sleeve is obviously pointing downwards.

I drew some other mistakes here as well, but basically they all are one big mistake. I didn't pay any attention to the beholder, viewing angle, not even to the drawing. I just drew individual elements one by one. If you you know that you are drawing like in my bad example, I'll need to ask you: are you really even trying.

I know I know, foreshortening is hard as I already said. But seriously, are you really even trying to understand it and what you are doing? Are you putting any serious effort in drawing at all? And are you reading this tutorial in hopes of getting easy way of drawing foreshortening?

Unfortunately, I have no magic tricks to offer. There are no shortcuts to experience and understanding. While this tutorial may help you to give some insight about the matter, you won't learn foreshortening unless you really give it all you got. And in order to draw foreshortening, you will need to learn seeing things the way they are, not the way you think they are. You must acknowledge that it's you that need to see the effort, do the studies, do the practice, learn from references and stuff.

Now, I wouldn't say that I'm perfect with foreshortening. I had plenty of problems to compile this tutorial, but at least I can say that I gave it all I got. And in fact, I think I learned a bit more about drawing foreshortening. This was valuable practice for me.

What is it really?
Foreshortening is a term for procedure, where the subject is drawn in perspective and coming towards the beholder. The subject is literally "shortened" to gain the illusion of depth. Usually perspective guides don't work very well with foreshortening, so it's mostly about trusting one's perception and doing decent guesses. And that's often enough, because it doesn't have to be perfect in order to look right. To draw anything foreshortened, you will need to have rather good understanding about shapes and proportions in three dimensional space.

I usually draw section planes and draw "middle lines" on top of the shape surface to analyse it's orientation and form. For example, if you draw a cylinder in any angle, you will need to be able to tell it's height in any given time. Even when the object is foreshortened, you need to know that the height of the objects remains the same.

How much smaller it should be?
As we already know, things look smaller the farther the are. The same principle apply with the foreshortening. However, you will need to know how far the object actually can reach and deduce how much smaller it really gets. If the object is very close or it's really large, it may look distorted. This distortion happens because of our vision (fish-eye). The more complex the subject of drawing is, the harder it gets to draw it foreshortened. Basically it means that you will need to study references and live models to gain understanding and knowledge about how things really look and then base your guesses on that.

Applying the cylinder example
The cylinder example seen on the tutorial can be applied on anything. The arm is probably the most straightforward subject to apply the example. All you need to do is to imagine that the arm is made of a pair of cylinders connected with spheres as joints. Then you will just need to draw the cylinders in a manner that they look like they were foreshortened. This sounds much easier than it really is, but using cylinders makes it a tad easier. Of course, if you don't know how to draw cylinders in the first place, then you can probably consider a bit easier matters to practice for the time being.

I drew some more complicated shapes than simple cylinders. To do this I had to draw few projections first in order to have the necessary references to draw the foreshortening. That said, I really recommend drawing projections of things that you are attempting to draw in perspective so that you know how they really look and you have references to look at while you draw the perspective. I must say, I hardly ever draw such demanding foreshortened drawings, so these really got me to the edge. I'm rather satisfied with the results though and this was super useful practice for me, as I mentioned before.

Some practice to try
I usually draw this kind of practice when I feel bored or I have gotten rusty. Anyway, the point is that you draw few circles, gradually changing their size from large to small (large ones are close, smaller ones farther). Then you will connect these circles with two lines in the same order you drew the circles. Now you will need to erase the circles partially to give it three dimensional look and make it look like a cable or a worm. If you have a lot of patience, you can draw quite complex thread of these cables.


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fayriii Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015  Student General Artist
Great tutorial! And, to be honest, I didn't think your tone was rude or condescending at all, so please continue to make amazing tutorials! c:
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TheMasterfulDork Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2015  Student Filmographer
I actually think that the bad vs good example is helpful.  Probably won't change anything, and I understand why you changed it.  Thanks for the tutorial.  Hope I can improve my skills a lot.
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Hyenax Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Why does your comment take up half of the page? haha
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Terubii Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
... it doesn't?
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Hyenax Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Weird, it does for me.
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MegaAnimeFreak7 Featured By Owner Edited Feb 22, 2015  Student Digital Artist
it's not just you bro. Does for me too. I think its cause of there signature
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Hyenax Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, good to know there's not a problem with my computer lol
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RiaMishra Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014
This has been one of the most helpful tutorials on the world wibe web! thanks alot for postinG!!
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Arkannos Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Great!!! Big thanks!!! :-D !!!!!
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MelodyLaw Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014
In all honesty, I didn't think that you were being rude. You were just voicing out opinions and extremely helpful advice. So, thank you for all your tutorials. It really helps me grow as an artist and strengthen my fundamentals. Keep up the good work!
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dsp2003 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Do not apologize, please! This tutorial is marvelous. And not just that - it highlights several important points, which are extremely hard to grasp on your own. If people are insulted by "Do you even trying?", it's an indication they, in fact, are doing nothing but feeding their bogus self-esteem, therefore their opinion is worthless.

Keep up the good work! :D
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sekaipower Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014
this tutorial is amazingWink and Dimples !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FutureofM Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This tutorial slapped my face telling me that I foreshortened things wrong. I used to foreshorten arms using cuboids facing towards the viewer with the width decreasing as it goes to its origin point, sure it may sound right but I didn`t apply the same thing to my torso :c.
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FancyHatShop Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2014
thank god for ur walk though XD
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jonathino001 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014
I was always told that doing life drawing classes would help with foreshortening, and then I had to do life drawing for the entire first year of my design art degree... The bloody thing was useless. Copying what you see in real life onto paper is completely different to copying what you see in your mind.

Trying to keep track of not only scale, but horizontal distances between reference points, is the reason I stopped practicing. I don't have the patience to practice something the brain just naturally understands, but the right hand doesn't.
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Nsio Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think that one can't really learn foreshortening before understanding perspective fully. Since I studied architecture, I got to work on 3D CAD modelling a lot. When I orbited around the 3D models, I understood how perspective works. I also understood that it's the beholders movement in relation to the subject that helps understanding perspective and foreshortening.

Basically, when people are taking life drawing classes, they should "orbit" around the subject, not just stick to one view point. Even though the actual drawing is drawn from one chosen viewing angle, it's important to know how the subject looks from other directions and compile that knowledge to construct the subject on the canvas.
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fickleWind Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2014
Nsio, i thank you very much for this tutorial, and indeed for all your tutorials. they are most helpfull and enlightening. you've put a lot of effort into this and I very much appreciate and thankful for your efforts.

So again thank you very much.

Nati.
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Tallanx Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry if I'm bringing up an old point of pain, but don't feel discouraged about immature, sensitive people.  People who are focused on your wording are focused on the wrong things.  I'm sure many find such behavior ridiculous.  Great job with your tutorials and I find them extremely useful.
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Ziggy-FoxCat Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Bro...
You should put all this in a book.
Dear god.
I WOULD BUY IT.
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Imccutie1999 Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2014  Student General Artist
Omg! This helped out a lot! I was never good at foreshortening and now I'm getting there! Thanks for the tutorial!:-)
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Melgor101 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
this tutorial is great. Thx I am a dummy! 
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IVIoogle Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Extremely helpful, and very funny! I don't understand how anyone could have gotten mad about how you explained this.

Thank you so much for making this, you've made foreshortening much more understandable (& I'll definitely be doing that exercise! xD)
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Nsio Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks. Yeah, some people can't quite get the message the right way... ^^'

Good to hear you found this helpful :)
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Vexstacy Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2014  Student Digital Artist
anyone that got butthurt over this is too fucking sensitive. 

this tutorial is great. 

thank you for taking YOUR TIME TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDNT HAVE TO DO. 
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Nsio Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, it thought the exaggeration would be so obvious that it's more fun than being mean. Not everyone think the same way :D

You're welcome! :D
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Rayckro Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
I laughed so hard at the first step. But i also really liked that because it shows exactly those parts which are completely wrong, without any sparing. And i think that "hard reality" helps much more than something like "work here a bit, and that is also a little bit wrong" hahah

Cant wait to see more from you. x)
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Kurt-is-cry Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
that perspective practice at the end is like a godsend! Definitely helps!
I'm really enjoying your tutorials, they are just helping out so much! :D
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PinkSkullBunny Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I read your comments on this, and they weren't rude or condescending at all in my opinion. You made excellent points and have  shown good examples. You have done exactly as any professor would have done in an actual class.

Personally, I feel that I've gained from your examples and comments, as I am mature enough to know that you aren't insulting my abilities in the least. You are just teaching. Sorry you had to deal with such immaturity.
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Alcoholication Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
YES ACTUALLY
YES IM TRYING
; -;

I CANT TRANSLATE PERSPECTIVE FROM HEAD TO PAPER/SCREEN
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missharukichi Featured By Owner May 21, 2014
Used as reference^ω^thanks
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DreamDragon911 Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Student General Artist
Thanks for all of these!
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RUSSOxD2366 Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Really liked your humour asuhasuhsauhasuh and the tutorial, but moar the humor xP
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RepeatingDigits Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014
People are too soft these days.
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Ginnomisuto Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014
This is definitely helpful and i thank you for the amount of time and work you put into this series Clap Hug Heart 
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mochichama Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
perpective,,, thanks 
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Objurgo Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks a lot for this! I really want to create more dramatic pieces and these tuts will definitely help :]

Don't worry about the people who are taking offence, if they're not will to take criticism then they're not willing to learn.
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Sparkkiez Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Unlike what others say of your rude and offending paragraph, it actually made an impact on me because it sorta made a mental slap to the face for me and made me realize why my drawing/s look like s**t. I am not the type who likes to say sweet words and sugarcoat the mistakes or errors, I am the type who like to have a straightforward conversation with no white lies or bs-ing, although it makes me seem like I'm rude, it helps saying what needs to be said. That being said, I also understand why others don't really like the start of your tutorial and I also do understand what you were trying to convey in your 'edit 1' thing. haha :D

Anyways, this was a great tutorial and I'll try to improve my art with your tutorials in mind. :D 
(its ok if you don't reply too, just gonna say whats in my mind ^^) 
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fishburger Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Whoa, this is amazingly helpful! :D
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8Imagination8 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Ehhh....  ^u^ This is so helpful XD

...Rude tone?  What rude tone? *scrolls through comments*

oh.  Now I see... Sorta XD

i don't really notice things like that, I was just learning what to do and what not to do XD
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JustIRaziel Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
holy sh*t
I love those tuts... reading again..
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Goodnight-Melbourne Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2014   Traditional Artist
:clap: :salute:
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SweetPopochan Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014
senseiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! :happybounce: Heart 
i think you are a really good teacher,
i have no objections:ladummypat: Sasami Squad C (Clapping) [V11] 
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Nsio Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hehe, thanks! :D
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qw3rky Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014
Thank you for this.
I will put this information to use.
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lstjules Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you. I know my basic foreshortening, but sometimes in certain angles, you just lose all your skills. So now that I downloaded your tutorial, I can reference it whenever I'm a bit off and need pointers on what I'm doing wrong. 
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TraceofHatred Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice tutorial! It's good to see a quality made tutorial as compared to the one's you usually find on this site. x'D The explanations are really helpful,
I typically hate shape examples (like with the cylinder and such) but the words accompanying them make it quite useful and helpful regardless.

(Though I'm not sure about HOW you went about it) I personally like the rather direct approach you took in the tutorial  - But I can certainly understand why a lot of people wouldn't like that.
While I get that you're trying to be blunt and slap them with some reality to help them improve - Your goal should NEVER "to make people feel a bit bad about themselves."
A teacher should be firm, direct, and constructive - Yes! There's nothing wrong with saying "This is completely wrong - Don't do this" - There is nothing wrong with being BLUNT.

But when you add "YOU aren't trying" - It immediately becomes incredibly personal. When you made it personal like that is where I kind of found it tastelessly arrogant -
Of course the information in between was useful! But there's nothing useful about "Are you even thinking?" or "Do you hope the lines will just fit?" etc,

There's an entire paragraph in the first box that is basically you just insulting whoever is reading the tutorial - Which is ironically a waste of time for anyone actually trying to learn.
Then the next paragraph "There's no shortcuts to good art, do research, study," etc, THAT paragraph was incredibly insightful and useful while still being blunt.
You show that you can be blunt and useful - That you can kick someone in the ass to make them realize what's right, but then you cross the line and become an asshole in the next paragraph, etc, etc.
I found myself trying to sift through what was actually USEFUL from the tutorial and what was just you rambling about how much this and that sucks, or how little I'm trying.

I dunno about you but I get the shakes really bad, and that makes drawing really difficult - I draw for a minimum of 2-6 hours a day (depending how busy I am), and on my days off I'll often draw all day.
I'm trying my ass off to get better, but it's not easy when your hand is whacking around like a jackhammer - While having shitty wobbly lines isn't the same as perspective issues,
the point of it is to say; I know what it's like to be told you suck or "aren't trying" when you're devoting your entire life to something  - It sucks and doesn't help at all, and if anything - makes it worse.

Sure I'm improving now - rapidly in the past year compared to what I did over the course of my life time since I was like 2 or something, but I'm improving because I'm passionate about it,
I'm trying my ass off and getting as much useful and blunt constructive help as I can and trying my best to learn the tricks - Saying "You aren't trying" isn't constructive or useful,
it's hurtful and has nothing but the intent of being hurtful - Which is a waste of the reader's time, and your time. (Unless you're stroking your own ego by bringing others down? In which case I hope you're not a real teacher...)

Often It's comments like that that make people stop drawing, or want to give up - I get that if drawing is your passion "giving up" so quick might seem off, but lots of people have that happen to them, it's tough.
If this was a tutorial exclusively for your fanboys who are accustomed to you acting like that and speaking like that, it'd be fine - but this is a public tutorial for everyone to view and learn from,
the thing with tutorials is you need to take professionalism into account - Telling anyone who isn't up to your level they "aren't trying" isn't professional, and honestly strikes me as really self-absorbed.
Not to mention that being told you suck takes away your motivation, and you're likely to put out a WORSE product than you would've have if you were passionate and excited to draw instead of down.

I realize you had an experience with blunt harsh criticism that worked well - But I feel like you're trying too hard to replicate that, thinking that it applies to everyone (which it doesn't),
which in all honesty took away from the tutorial. I might reference this tutorial in the future for my work - But I probably won't be linking it or sharing it to my friends or +Watchers.
I dunno what your thought process is, but In my opinion: The point of a GOOD tutorial is to give as much useful as possible in as easy to understand a way as possible -
Giving half really, really useful and helpful information in an easy to understand format - then half useless, insulting garbage is FAR from the best way to do a tutorial. x'D

Sorry to kind of ramble - It is a good tutorial (though far from the best), with lots of useful information and helpful tips to improve, but your 'apology' seems so dry and... not honest? ._.' Which is what made me comment.
I'm sorry if you don't intend to come off that way, but as a first time reader of your work - It honestly feels like you're just pasting it there because you feel like you have to - not because you genuinely care.
Either way though - I honestly did like the tutorial - It's just a lot easier to explain what you don't like constructively than to point out every little line or image I thought was good (many of them),
because a wall of ass kissing and "Good job here, and here, and here" isn't going to do anything for you and would just be a waste of both of our time to type out. x'D

Cheers~
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Nsio Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you for reminding me again of my thoughtlessness in this tutorials. When I was writing this, I wasn't thinking straight. I have certainly learned my lesson and will take this in account in my future tutorials. The reason I haven't edited this is that when I think something is done, it's final. If there are issues, then the work will remind me of those so that I can avoid doing them again.

I guess I just should have worded myself a bit differently and explain what I mean with "you aren't trying or thinking". That's not something the beginner artist does in purpose, but rather, they are unaware of it. A beginner doesn't simply know how to go about it and does his best with his current understanding, which is based on their inaccurate deductions rather than truth. When my friend gave me his harsh critique, he asked me very similar questions, asking me why I did something that way. And I didn't know and I felt bad for it. However, I had the passion to draw and I didn't want to feel bad about my drawings, so I got more inspired to try harder. I came to realize that if I wanted to learn drawing, I needed to work on my way of thinking to avoid relying on my ignorance and learn to see the things they really are. For me it worked, so I'm trying to use the same method, because I know it had worked on me. In fact, I couldn't tell it any other way because I didn't learn drawing the other way. I would be basing my explanations on assumptions. For example, originally I wanted to exclude head proportions tutorial, because the way I explained it is not really the way I go about it. When I draw heads, they just come up the way I want them, because I've been drawing so long and I can see quickly if it's wonky. It's a sort of muscle memory I have and I don't know what's going on in my head when I draw the head.

The reason I wrote first paragraph like that was to set some thoughts in motion in the readers. I'm not saying that it makes it any more justified to make it sound insulting, but it was my attempt to derail people's thoughts to make them analyze themselves. It's unfortunate that I did lousy job at this, making it indeed sound just an insult. I'm sorry about that. Then again, this is something people may voluntarily read. I'm not their class teacher, if they don't like it, then they don't have to read it. I'm not teacher in rl either. I do these tutorials mainly to unravel my understanding to see how much I really know about the things I'm trying to explain. At the same time I'm practicing and testing how I could explain the things to others in form of a tutorial. It's all experimenting and this one has proven to be a good lesson for me about explaining things in a bit more appropriate way.

"The point of a GOOD tutorial is to give as much useful as possible in as easy to understand a way as possible" Indeed, I couldn't agree more with this. I'm doing my best at following this principle. I spend a lot of time when I write my "essays", so to say. With this tutorial, I wasn't that as thorough. I didn't analyze what was really useful and what I could have rewritten to make it useful.

No need to be sorry, you just stated the facts that I was wrong at assuming that I could write things like that. It's not something I would get upset or offended, I'm honest with myself and I can accept other peoples viewpoints, opinions and critiques. When I'm giving personal critique, I take in account the skill level of the artist and his current experience so that I can focus on explaining things he will benefit the most. With these public tutorials, I'm writing as if I was debating with myself.  In this tutorial, I was afraid of my tone, but I thought people wouldn't take it personally and would take it more like an ridiculous exaggeration, given that they are familiar with my tone from previous tutorials. And most people appear to find the tone the way I hoped. However, as some individuals did point out the rudeness, I wrote the apology. I accept the fact that I was inconsiderate there and I'm doing my best to avoid doing such mistake again :)
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TraceofHatred Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry this was so late - I've been super ill and I wanted to wait til I was coherent before reading such a lengthy and thought out post!

I agree with you on editing - That's why I haven't gone and deleted all my old shitty art x'D Reminders are always helpful.
I can understand that reasoning and I feel ya - It's not easy with wording and it's certainly easy to make that sort of mistake, I'm sure I've done it at some point. c':

Glad to hear you took it well though cause i didn't mean to cause any harm but (ironically enough) was worried I might have worded it a little bit too bluntly x'D
 and thank you again for replying - It really gives a lot of perspective into the mind of the writer that I didn't get beforehand, good luck in your future tutorials!
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Nsio Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's fine, good to hear you are feeling better now.

When I wrote the tutorial, I had the vibes that it might cause such reactions on people. It's a shame that I didn't take those thoughts in account. If I recall right, it was already past mid night, I was drowsy and my wrist hurt quite a lot. I just wanted to get this done so that I could go to rest xD.

I know that if people write as thorough comment as you did, they hardly ever want to cause any harm. Each time I have replied to comments with "hostile" ring on them, all the persons have apologized their tone. If they are misunderstanding, then I'm doing my best to correct them, but most often these people are right. At some points it felt that you were indeed attacking me, but I guess it was necessary to get your point trough. Some people might get offended from that, but that's not the case with me at least. Again, thanks for seeing the effort to write your comment. I'll be drawing more tutorials some time :D
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Nuei Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Making tutorials sure is hard. You gotta be so damn careful with words ._.
I think it's not a matter of not trying hard, but people dont try hard the right way, and sometimes ignore when other people try to explain them obvious things because they think their method is ok. I don't exactly agree with the tone of the introduction but I won't even censor you. Some people really need to be shaken out of their ego sometimes!
Btw, your art and tutorials are great and I'm very happy to have found you. I will change a lot of things in my art because you showed me a lot I havent even though of before :iconthankyouplz:
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